i just saw a conservative view today that really offended me.
look, terrorism is NOT the result of a violent islam religion that is fueled by crazy cults.
i will find my paper on this i wrote fall quarter and post it.
it is an issue of injustice and inequality, that is always the cause.
EDIT: i am not saying the islamic religion is not violent, it is. i am not saying the koran isn't violent, it may be. i AM saying that those are only justifications for the violence people already want to play out. the injustice and poor conditions of the countries the terrorists come from are the cause. but hey, read my paper. it's not very well-written, i admit.
Imagine that a thirty-foot layer of sand has been dumped on top of our path in life. As we walk on the top of the sand, not only is it unclear which road we should travel, but we have no idea where the road is. It is in this moment that we notice the people with compass and wrapping, who stride with purpose over the landscape. Our own goals vanish, and resentment builds against the people who have life figured out, since they don’t seem to be fazed by the sand. Frustration about the slow progress mounts, and we end up lying in the sand or hurting the people who are better off than us.
Around the globe, millions of people work hard to travel the path ahead of them. But watching them are the millions without goals or dreams or the same opportunities as others. Faced without bright prospects in the future, a select number of these people choose to become terrorists, particularly in Islamic countries. Terrorism is the belief that violent tactics such as suicide bombings and kidnappings should be used to gain power through fear. Terrorist attacks such as the one on September 11th, the Madrid bombings, and the attempted London bombings have all affected our lives, changing the way we travel, live, and think.
Debate has been heated since the September 11th attacks brought terrorism to the forefront of political discussions. What is the rationale of terrorists in their decision to attack America, both on September 11th and in Iraq? Is their motivation from radical Islamic leaders who are inciting violence? Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld seemed to think so when he posed this question in a memo to his top advisors on October 16th, 2003, as quoted on UsaToday.com: "Are we capturing, killing, or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training, and deploying against us?" On the surface, this appears to be a legitimate question and a worthwhile mission for America in the Middle East. However, when the facts are examined, it can be seen that terrorism is a result of oppressive governments and the resulting anger at being powerless.
Thomas L. Friedman writes on page 480 of his book The World Is Flat about the anger “bubbling” out of Muslim Europe, as a result of Muslims living under oppressive authoritarian governments, which have “deprived tens of millions of young people…of opportunities to achieve their full potential through good jobs and modern schools.” Without a pathway, the anger of many young Muslims becomes the focus of their lives. And the young population is staggeringly big in many Middle Eastern nations. As referenced in the November/December 2006 California Magazine article “International: Losing Minds,” by Steven Weber and Michael Zielenziger, roughly half of Pakistan’s 165 million people are now under the age of 21. These young people feel a growing frustration against their governments and America, as is evidenced in terrorist actions.
Political scientist Robert Pape studied the lives of 315 suicide bombers (by far the favored method of attack by terrorists) from 1980-2003 and concluded in Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism that the majority of suicide bombers are individuals who had their dreams crushed by dictators. In addition, Pape found these same governments were perceived by the terrorists to be in close connection with US oil interests. Pape shows that terrorism is related to a desire for empowerment and having a say in the political system. What role does religion play, then, in the life of the Islamic terrorist? Robert Pape believes that religion serves as a support method, rather than an outright motivation.
In “Suicide Bombers: Allah's New Martyrs,” Farhad Khosrokhavar offers his views on fifteen interviews he had with previously nonviolent, second-generation Muslim terrorists: "They … feel a vague but crushing sense of guilt about their parents' societies, especially when, like Pakistan, most Arab countries or even Afghanistan are hit by crises. … [Playing a] role … in their parents' country of origin … allows them to recover much of the dignity they have lost…” Just as Pape found in his interviews with suicide bombers, Khosrokhavar observes that terrorist motivation comes from a desire to achieve something with their lives. The sand that is blocking their path is the society of oppression the government is fostering.
Oppression is overwhelming in many Arab and Muslim countries. For example, according to Wikipedia.org’s article “Human rights in Saudi Arabia,” Saudi Arabia has received international scrutiny from groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch for their abuse of human rights. In Saudi Arabia, censorship of anti-government or non-Islamic views is rampant, and non-Muslims are not allowed in the country (unless they are diplomats or oil workers). Women’s rights are also greatly restricted in Saudi Arabia, through laws that forbid women to leave the house without express permission from a male relative. In addition, Wikipedia noted, Islam is the only religion allowed to be practiced. As the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom put it in its official 2006 report on Saudi Arabia: “Freedom of religion does not exist.” This censorship rings not only of 1984, but of closed-mindedness and ethnocentrism.
Ethnocentrism is the belief that one culture is superior to all others. Terrorists in Islamic countries look to the United States and see open-mindedness, freedom of thought and freedom of speech. And as Friedman notes on page 481 of The World Is Flat, “if openness, women’s empowerment, and freedom of thought and inquiry are the real sources of the West’s economic strength, then the Arab-Muslim world would have to change.” This is intensified because visibility has increased in the last two decades due to technology. Every country can be seen, and it is much easier to compare nations than it was twenty years ago. Young Islamic people compare, and they are able to see that Islamic nations are not competing globally, and that they are not living as prosperously or as democratically as many others. Globalization is an important force, and one that is taking the world by storm, as Friedman shows repeatedly in his book. But many Islamic nations are being left behind because they are refusing to change with the world. As an alternative to changing themselves, terrorists try to change the world through violence.
Paramount, however, is the lack of global companies (besides the oil tycoons) that exist in Islamic countries. Worldwide economics have changed in the last two decades, with many third-world countries, such as India, becoming economic competitors on the global level. This has enabled the people of India to rise above their poverty and achieve something with their lives. Thomas Friedman addresses this on page 272 of The World Is Flat, writing that Indian companies have changed over the past two decades, and that these companies are enabling people living below the poverty line in India to rise to the middle class. Friedman shows that most Islamic nations do not have connections to global companies, and it follows that this is keeping many Islamic nations poor and dependent on the oil industry.
And despite many countries like India overcoming their economic status, Islamic countries remain shockingly poor. As George Kerevan notes in The Scotsman article “Islamic World Trapped In Historical Impasse”, the average income in Islamic nations is one tenth that of the United States. Kerevan also shows that in the last two decades the Saudi Arabian economy has grown an abysmal .2% per year, with about 40% of revenues going to royal government. In addition, 70% of Saudis are under the age of 30, and over 30% of these young people are unemployed. Without the open-mindedness of globalization, the companies of many Islamic nations cannot innovate, compete, or succeed in the twenty-first century world.
The frustration felt by the young people in Islamic countries is translated into anger. Without an outlet for creativity, without an ability to participate in politics, their attention turns to changing the system through violence. Friedman writes on page 560 of The World Is Flat: “Give young people a context where they can translate a positive imagination into reality…give them a context in which any complaint or idea can be published in the newspaper, give them a context in which anyone can run for office—and guess what? They usually don’t want to blow up the world. They usually want to be part of it.” Friedman’s specifics, however, are lacking. Friedman talks vaguely about a strong world government to equalize everything detailed in his book and become the ultimate world flattener. But does he intend this to be the answer to the oppression as well? He doesn’t say. As columnist Robert Kuttner writes in his review of The World Is Flat in The American Prospect, “Friedman has no answer.”
So then, it is not religious fundamentalist Islam that is driving terrorists to violence against America. Instead, it is the society of oppression in Islamic countries that cages the young people and keeps them living in poverty that causes terrorism. Faced without dreams and an opportunity to succeed, the sand of oppression is frustrating the Islamic people, blocking their path and motivating them to lash out against change. When Islamic governments are open to new ideas, when there is no censorship of political or religious beliefs, when Islamic companies utilize globalization, that is when terrorism will be nipped in the bud. Without oppression, anger will not bubble out of Islamic nations; rather, they will be able to work alongside India and China, and even the United States.
5.11.2007
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Justice and equality? How can terrorism be a result of justice and equality?
Ah, I thought there was something in your viewpoing I was missing.
Well Sam, you will be pleased to know that we brought this up at lunch hour and the entire rhetoric class hashed through it. Of course you have since clarified your position so nothing that was said there is worth repeating anymore, but it was interesting anyway.
But yes, I totaly and completely agree with you. We read stories in Worldview about the hurt and hopelessness in Islamic children, resulting in anger and resentment at the world. Very well written paper and clear thoughts. I should memorize it, lol, this subject comes up so much.
BTW Sam, do you read WORLD magazine? I think it would be right up your alley. They have a website.
P.S. Are your blog post titles completely random or am I just too stupid to get them?
Well I've never met Alethia but she raises a good point. I have to take an argument again (Em J i know your shocked :-)) but i don't agree that it is the oppression or the poverty that is making people this way. Alethia's right, it's the Islamic religion. No matter what course you take the end is always the religion. That is the driving force behind this. When you have a religion that teaches that the best way out of the depravity is to commit Jihad and end up with 77 virgins then that's exactly what people are going to do. The environment isn't enough to cause people to give their lives in violent suicides. There has to be the promise of something eternal or post-mortem to really push them to that level.
Good topic starter though I have to give you kudos sam!
lol thank you, everyone!
my titles are mostly looks into the random swirl of lyrics they call my brain, sometimes they make sense. mostly, not. lol.
yes, i read world magazine, i don't really like it, actually. sometimes, they have well-thought out stuff, but it tends to be on the sloppy journalism side, imho.
i much much prefer "relevant magazine," have you ever heard of it?
wellllll, yes, kind of. it is an islamic government that is fostering the oppression, but i don't think you can equate that to the koran.
it's the oil tycoons and the greedy governments that are screwing them over, causing the terrorism. and remember, these same people are also funding the terrorism, too.
and ryan, i definitely see your point: there is also an underlying belief in islam.
but, practically, how can we stop terrorism?
when we have justice, people will no longer have reasons to hate, reasons for violence.
when we have peace.
how do we stop this?
maybe we can start by becoming less dependent on all their oil.
that's the start of getting out of our major conflict of interest with the middle eastern world.
my major point is, you can't say, oh, when everyone stops believing in a stupid book like the koran, then there won't be terrorism.
you have to go for justice first--that's the underlying motive of it all.
Alethia, meet my big brother Ryan (officially adopted). Ryan, meet my friend from School, Rosemary. She's one of the five wisest people I know. :-)
So it's the sin behind the religion, not the religion its self, that is causing the problems?
I can buy that. And irradicating Islam won't do away with the problems behind it. Those problems exist elsewhere too. Plus how are we going to change anything if we go attacking Islam? That's not going to help anyone.
exactly, exactly, exactly.
when there is justice, then there will be peace. people get them mixed up and try to have peace before justice.
Well it's nice to meet you Rosemary. Bottom line guys is that Terrorism is not going to stop no matter what we do. Our world is going steadily downhill and there's nothing anybody can do to change that. Unless everyone suddenly becomes Jesus (slightly heretical I know) man is always going to be inclined to sin and thus will always have a downwards spiral. Until Jesus returns, terrorism is going to be a normal part of life and unfortunately will get worse.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news I just want to make sure we're not floating on cloud nine here. Terrorism is bad and we should wholeheartedly try to stop. I just don't see that happening and the Bible tends to agree.
Nice to meet you Ryan!
Wow so yeah I think you're right Emily when you say it's the sin behind the religion that is causing the problems. I think I get what Sam was trying to say now. So it's basically just human depravity that's causing the terrorism just like it's causing every other sin in the world? I think Ryan has a point when he says they wouldn't commit suicide unless they thought they were going to heaven. So basically Islam is fueling the terrorism, not igniting it? Yay do we all agree now?
Hm I just had a thought. Isn't terrorism a lot like a Muslim version of the Christian crusades? Christians claimed that it was a holy war and that they had biblical grounds for it so some people could argue that Christianity caused all the trouble. But it wasn't Christianity; it was the sinful people who used their twisted form of Christianity to fuel their desire for war, just like it is now with Islam and jihad. So some people could argue that if you wiped out Christianity you could wipe out the Crusades, but as Emily said, attacking Islam won't help anybody just like attacking Christianity wouldn't have helped anybody in the time of the Crusades. The only thing is that Islam really is a militant religion and Christianity is not. Emily were you saying that you don't think Islam should be wiped out? Because if you meant that I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you. I believe the world would be better if all false religions did not exist. Not like that would ever happen in our sinful world. But it would be good.
So Sam about what you were saying about justice--I think I agree with Ryan that our world really isn't ever going to get fixed; not until heaven. But you said something about becoming less dependent on their oil. We've been learning about globalization in economics class and from everything we've learned, it seems to me like the more often countries trade together, the better things are. For instance, now that we depend on Japan for cars and technology and stuff, we're far less likely to have another Hiroshima. There are friendly relations now. So maybe I'm totally off the wall and it would be better for us not to have any dealings with the Middle East, but it seems to me that trade promotes peace.
A "random swirl of lyrics"? :D LOL I guess your titles do sound pretty poetic--starlight and all!
I'm kind of surprised that you don't think much of World. I'm afraid I don't really have enough knowledge of it to make a good judgement but my civics teacher and lots of people in my church love it so I just assumed it was a really good magazine. I've never heard of Relevant Magazine. Do they have a website?
in response to ryan:
will we ever have a perfect world? no. but we sure can fight this. i don't believe our world is spiraling downward into an irretrievable unfixable mess. i've seen the love people can have--the depth of care and passion for life and change and fixing the sin and destruction men has left behind at every turn.
we can never ever say we can't fix it or can't stop it, we CAN.
it's OUR job as christians to fight for the justice of everyone, around the world, for the poor and deserted, the lost forgotten people of this world. that's where jesus spent his time and where he would still spend his time today. we need to be fighting for clean water for everyone, against genocide, for education for everyone, for medicine for aids and malaria and food for the starving.
i don't believe we can ever rightly say "oh well, sucks to be the world, man's so sinful, we'll never fix everything, *snap fingers*"
we have an extremely high standard of living and extremely high expectations of what life should be like here in the U.S.--we have so much and many have so so little. it's our job to give and convince others to give and be activists against this tide. we. can. fight. this. there can never be a world that's too far gone to save.
i will comment back to aletheia later, but the website is http://relevantmagazine.com
Emily I totally completely agree with you there!
Yeah Sam I think you're right. And I'll check out the magazine. Thanks.
Okay sam I agree that we should be fighting to make a difference and not just say "Forget you, have fun in Hell." Perhaps I wasn't clear. My issue is that we should be putting our time and effort into changing the people rather than changing the culture. Our job is not to reform to world it is to go and make disciples of all the nations. If we want to ever have a hope to change the world we have to go to the root of the problem and evangelize to the people not waste our time reforming society. One is a result of the other. You don't change the result to change the cause you have to change the source. I've had this argument before (Em J can vouch for that) and bottom line is that we need to evangelize not revolutionize the world. If we're blessed one thing will lead to another.
and that's exactly what Sam is saying, Ryan.
right Sam?
lol, so once again, we all end up agreed? this always happens.
that's almost what i'm saying.
i do believe we, as christians, should be reforming and revolutionizing the world. when people see that we're changing the world and fighting against the pain and hunger, taking up the cause of the poor, when people see that then they will respect our christianity. i don't know if you read the article from relevant magazine i posted a while ago about the man who was working in india? he was a christian but all he did was work for these people, just helping to build huts and distribute medicine, and the people were so grateful that they asked him about his god and he brought many many people to christ.
a "missionary" had just been by earlier in the year, said the people, and he had basically given them a bible and told them the story, but they didn't respect him because he just told them and left.
you can't have one without the other, you can't just bring the gospel without the love.
we need to have a "when you have done it unto the least of these, you have done it unto me" mentality and a true compassion for the poor like jesus himself had.
because i don't believe sending bibles is enough to stop terrorism. we need to be sending bibles and justice and hope in our box for the world.
i think, we actually have a disagreement.
correct me if i'm wrong, but i think ryan is saying we cannot really reform man and make a better society, because man is inherently sinful, so we should bring the gospel to the world. once we have discipled the nations and given them the gospel, then they can change from the cause of their sin.
this is true, i just believe we need to fight for justice and the poor as jesus would as well. i think, there is our disagreement, and i'm perfectly fine with agreeing to disagree.
and it's not like a right/wrong argument, it's a better/best argument, and that's really not that big of a deal. =-)
that's a very good point--that is a lot like the crusades, in a way.
in fact, people weren't really that fixated on even capturing the holy land, there was repeated promises of treasure and land and indulgences. again, the sin at the root of it all, using the religion as an excuse for greed and hate and bigotry.
again and again, throughout history, we see that when people go into the bible looking for excuses for slavery or verses about rock music or verses about abortion, they won't find them because they aren't there. we need to let our religion shape us, not the other way around (though yes it's never perfect blah blah).
hm.
yes, trade is good.
but i think when we become completely dependent on oil in the middle east, like we are, then we cannot afford to offend anyone in the middle east because then they'll stop our oil and america will die. this is why no one likes to talk about the human rights abuses that go on in places like saudi arabia, because the u.s. won't do anything about it. because they're in bed with the oil tycoons, who are also robbing the country of any semblance of a good education for children. like in my paper.
oh, I apologize for assuming.
This goes back to what Mrs. Knight was saying, doesn't it Ryan? About weather or not it's worth it to try to change the culture. She was all gun-ho about reforming America, while Ryan was saying that we should focous on the souls rather than the culture.
And now we're just applying that to the Middle East. Am I following correctly?
So what does the Bible say? I might point out that Jesus never tried to reform the often tyranical Roman government. He wasn't really concerned with the culture. He was concerend with individual souls and spreading the gospel.
There's lots of verses about going out into all the world spreading the gospel, I can't think of any telling us to go fix all the world's problems. As for how to spread the gospel, I think you've got the right idea Sam, but I think reforming the world through love and all that should be a means for getting the gospel out there rather than a cheif end in and of its self.
I showed this post to Caleb, who has pretty much devoted this whole year to studdying Islam, and not only was he impressed but he had nothing to add.
I think that's a compliment, Sam. :-)
He did, however, point out that none of us have actually been to the Middle East, that I know of. So we can't really know what the conditions are exactly like or what kind of attitudes they produce in the people. But I digress. :-)
Yeah Em J that was the exact discussion I was thinking of. (Way to be a good sis!) Well hmmm... It seems as though we've reached an impass. I agree that there should be a balance between helping the world and evangelizing but I believe the chief focus should be evangelism. As you said, revolutionizing the world is just a method to get to people's hearts. That's why we do work in Montana, it opens the door for spiritual conversations. However, it is not the only way. You can evangelize without doing anything. Every situation is different. We can't say that one method is better than the other. Evangelism isn't statistics it's a heart to heart conversation that hopefully ends in divinity!
Well lets see what comments this creates :-)!
Okay...I do have a hugely long comment ready to post, but I can't right this moment. I wanted to ask, since you've all been here and no one's paying attention to the last post anymore, is everyone ok if I just pick a male native missionary off GFA's website to start sponsoring? I'm calling GFA right now to see if they want money right away...or if it's a certain day of the month, so we know if we can choose one now or if we need the money together first. I just wanted to check with everyone here since this seems to be where all the excitement is right now! I'll make some phone calls tonight if I don't hear back before...
Ha Verya! You should totally be an advertising consultant. You bring the message to the people :-)
yes--sounds like we're at an impasse.
i do think there is a message of social justice in the bible, because blahblah of the 2000 references of god's concern for the poor etc like everyone says, however, if i was to be honest--i really need to take some of my own medicine. i'm going in looking for social justice not coming out doing it, just like the crusaders and anti-civil rights conservatives of the 50s.
also, i think that to stop terrorism we have to go to the governments. this is not a christian idea, this is just a "good practical" sort of idea.
if we want to change and revolutionize the world's social failings, we have to go the governments and to the people themselves. if we want to spread the gospel, the only option is to go to the people themselves on an individual level.
besides, i pass through the middle east every day on my way to school!
so-great discussion guys!
how can we come up with a better topic?
good thinking, good thinking.
Cool.
hmm...there's a better topic?
everyone still interested in talking about social justice and the bible, check out my latest post on my own blog...
http://samwiseboyd.blogspot.com
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